And Having Writ, Moves On

[akirlu]

Clearly the thing about writing is that I must do it for the sake of the writing, for living in the moment with whatever world and characters I'm creating. I must write for my own amusement. I cannot be driven to write for the sake of anyone but myself.

Because, honest to God, the delay on getting comments back on a fracking weekly-cycle writing group is making me nuts. I'm done writing my story. Yes! Yes! Yes! Now! Now! Now! GIVE. ME. FEEDBACK!!!! I posted the most recent story a bit before midnight last night, and went to bed. Too wired with the writing process to sleep, I read for a couple of hours. Then, I actually got up at 2:00 in the morning to check my computer, in hopes that someone had commented. This is insane. Writers are all mad.

Which is not to say I won't eventually begin polishing things and hunting up markets for them and sending off my little lambs for slaughter. When there's enough of a backlog, I will. But clearly I need to send things off and forget them. Because waiting around for editorial, or god forbid reader, response, would just kill me.

So here's me, getting back to the Pied Piper.

Comments

[athenais.livejournal.com]

No lie. And now you know how tamiam feels, because she's really not happy about the lack of feedback.

Me, I failed to write my damn story before midnight, and I never read the other stories or comment until my story's in. But I always, always, always comment and not just because I'm the mod.

I don't know how to motivate anyone to make comments. No comments = "didn't read ya, babe" to so many people, and yet? We have several contributors who consistently fail to make comments.

Maybe we need a reward system.

[akirlu.livejournal.com]

And now you know how tamiam feels, because she's really not happy about the lack of feedback.

Oh, I always did know how she feels. And I try to get to comments as soon as I'm done getting over my story-writing crash/hangover thing. The trouble is, and I bet this is true for a lot of people, writing crit or even non-crit comments is a totally different discipline/process from writing stories. It's not always an easy switch to make, either. And, at least in my case, I'm hampered not only by not wanting to read anybody else's stuff until my story is in (though possibly I should just get over that -- it doesn't seem like anybody else's style or ideas is really creeping into my work, here), I also am pathologically averse to doing RAEBNCs*. I hate them. To me, they're the same as no comment at all -- it's as if the person couldn't be bothered to find a single thing to say about what I wrote. So, for myself, I have to write something substantive about the piece. I have to be honest, too. And that's just a totally different kind of work.

So yeah, I think it would be good to find ways to encourage people to comment, even in weeks when they do not write, but I also think that it's important (for myself, anyway) to recognize that this desperation for immediate feedback is part of the writer-craziness-creator-pathology, and not let it have *too* much sway over my reaction.

*Read And Enjoyed, But No Comment

[tysolna]

In a RL writer's circle we had the rule that whoever didn't bring a story, had to pay in some form (bring food, or wine, or pay money into a piggy bank). Too bad this won't work online.

[urlgirl.livejournal.com]

Is there any chance your group might have room for one more (perennial beginner)? I'm looking for a good online group, but I dislike getting this personal with people I don't know, or about whom I know nothing.

[akirlu.livejournal.com]

Oh, I suspect there's a good chance there might be room. athenais has been talking about doing a bit of recruiting to build the group a bit and I can certainly vouch for your ability to string words in a line, should that be needed. :) I understand that there may be something not quite working with the LJ-software for directly requesting membership in deathless_pose, so your best bet will probably be to send e-mail directly to athenais @ livejournal.com and request her to send you an invite. And feel free to say I sent you.

[urlgirl.livejournal.com]

Thank you very much! I've made the usual community join request, and I've also e-mailed her separately. :-)

[athenais.livejournal.com]

It worked. You're in. You buy the next round. Mine's a pint of bitter.

[tysolna]

See the latest post in my lj on why I didn't comment today; I'll read and comment tomorrow when my brain has returned from wherever it is now.

But anyway - hell yes. Amen (to balance it out). You and me both.

Never mind about the RAEBNCs. I'm going to start putting as much effort into the comments as I do into the stories. Y'all deserve it.

[athenais.livejournal.com]

I...I love you all. Yay comments, yay trying harder, yay everyone who got their stories in, twice for you, akirlu!

I should have known you would know how much feedback means to Tamara, because it means a lot to you, too.

Boo to me, who gave up at 11pm last night, exhausted from my weekend and out of ideas. But yay for thinking of the angle this morning on the train ride in. I am bugged I missed the deadline two weeks in a row, but actually getting a story done, even late, is the goal.

[akirlu.livejournal.com]

Ideas, I find, come when they damn' well please. For me commuting by bus is really useful for daydreaming about my next story, and sorting out implications and that. What's weird is that often, I spawn ideas better when I'm reading a moderately bad book. My impatience with stupid writing spurs me to to invent something more interesting to think about.

[marykaykare.livejournal.com]

I did mine now! And posted and explanation about why I've missed 2 weeks.

MKK

[athenais.livejournal.com]

Actually, I want to respond to this as me the writer, not wearing any moderator hats.

I found a long time ago that when I write non-fiction I mainly want to present my work and know that people are reading it. Knowing they read it varies from emails to comments in persno to noting the number of IP addresses visiting my page.

Getting feedback matters, but I don't need a lot of it. I could never quite get the hang of apas because it was more feedback than substance, or at least it seemed that way to me. And I couldn't get into RASSF or any of the online mailing lists because it felt like the ratio skewed towards noise instead of signal. But fanzines were great. Fanzines were trade in kind. I knew people read it because they traded with me.

Online diaries/journals/blogs work that way for me, too. I know people are reading me. I don't get a ton of comments, but I see how many people have "Friended" me here at LJ and I know there must be many more who haven't gotten formal about it.

However, when it comes to writing fiction, then yes, I really do want feedback. I know I'm not writing at the level I'm used to because, yanno, I never wrote short stories before starting DP. So sure, I want to have an audience, and comments help me feel like I'm not just entertaining myself. I hope to see improvement, and I hope to see that reflected in some of the comments.

[akirlu.livejournal.com]

I don't get a ton of comments

[Cue SFX: uncontrolable laughter]

Good gravy, girl, you are insatiable. "...don't get a ton of comments"! **mmggffl** *snort*

That said, I've always known we approach fanac out of very different desires. I have never been that interested in the non-fiction process as performance, what I come to fanac for is the conversations, the byplay and the diversity of voices. So naturally apas and and rassef were going to be more my cuppa.

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