Ways LJ isn't Like Other Blogspace
Jul. 5th, 2006 03:42 pmEvery now and again you encounter someone on LJ whose "bio" comprises a bullet-point list of proclamations of how and when the user reserves the right to silence or ban others and generally control all discourse in their journal to a degree that even the editors of Pravda would stand in awe of.
I am baffled by these people.
On the one hand, the declaration is a case of stating the painfully obvious and redundant. Of course they have the right to control "their" journals, down to the point of deleting comments they don't like, or banning anyone who doesn't worship My Little Pony. Whatever. Saying I have the "right" to do these things doesn't make me any less of an asshole if I do them, though declaring my intention ahead of time does make it clear that I'm an asshole with malice aforethought. For whatever that's worth, warning-wise.
On the other hand, if they want a private playspace, free of the random influences of others' opinions, why the hell are these folks setting up their fiefdoms in frigging LiveJournal, of all things, in the first place? Last I checked, the whole blinking idea behind the LJ software was to build community by leveraging the interconnectedness of the conversational feeds. If someone wants Happy-Sparkly-Princess-MeMeMeLand, why not go set up a free-standing blog? Or, if that's not an option, why post publicly and why have a Friends List? It's this business of wanting to borrow the benefits of audience and community without having to put up with the grubby fact of other people that I really don't get.
Or rather, that I get morally outraged by, I guess I mean. Because as I'm thinking "aloud" about this, I realize that to me, this business of having it both ways seems a lot like free-ridership.
I am baffled by these people.
On the one hand, the declaration is a case of stating the painfully obvious and redundant. Of course they have the right to control "their" journals, down to the point of deleting comments they don't like, or banning anyone who doesn't worship My Little Pony. Whatever. Saying I have the "right" to do these things doesn't make me any less of an asshole if I do them, though declaring my intention ahead of time does make it clear that I'm an asshole with malice aforethought. For whatever that's worth, warning-wise.
On the other hand, if they want a private playspace, free of the random influences of others' opinions, why the hell are these folks setting up their fiefdoms in frigging LiveJournal, of all things, in the first place? Last I checked, the whole blinking idea behind the LJ software was to build community by leveraging the interconnectedness of the conversational feeds. If someone wants Happy-Sparkly-Princess-MeMeMeLand, why not go set up a free-standing blog? Or, if that's not an option, why post publicly and why have a Friends List? It's this business of wanting to borrow the benefits of audience and community without having to put up with the grubby fact of other people that I really don't get.
Or rather, that I get morally outraged by, I guess I mean. Because as I'm thinking "aloud" about this, I realize that to me, this business of having it both ways seems a lot like free-ridership.
Because...
Date: 2006-07-05 11:32 pm (UTC)I agree about the silliness.
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Date: 2006-07-05 11:33 pm (UTC)You mean there are people who don't like "My Little Pony"?
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Date: 2006-07-05 11:45 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-07-06 12:00 am (UTC)"I may delete from my LJ, without warning, any comment that does either of the following:
(1) does name-calling of real people, i.e., characterizes people rather than their behavior or actions;
(2) imputes intentions and motivations to others when the others have not explicitly stated them.
NOTE: These do not apply to public figures.
"Anonymous comments that do not have an identifiable name signed to them will be deleted."
I don't think I have any obligation to let people abuse others in my LJ nor to publish the remarks of people who won't identify themselves at least by an LJ name. But I also want to give fair warning.
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Date: 2006-07-06 02:17 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-07-06 01:18 pm (UTC)Yeah, I can see the difference.
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Date: 2006-07-06 12:36 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-07-06 12:54 am (UTC)We do not, however, issue invitations with three-page disclaimers like, "Any guest attempting to discuss instant-runoff voting in city elections with any of my aunts whose names end in consonants will be summarily dismissed from the premises." So.
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Date: 2006-07-06 04:47 pm (UTC)By high school there are still cliques, but the most balances of the girls in them have learned to compromise, negotiate, and finally to be able to step out of the group withour drama and fanfare if they don't agree with the hive mind.
I see a lot of that sort of interaction here.
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Date: 2006-07-06 06:55 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-07-06 09:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-07-16 10:09 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-07-30 04:17 pm (UTC)Wow.
If I had a guest who was that offensive in my living room (which is the way I think of LiveJournal), I'd strongly insist they leave. And probably threaten them with bodily harm if they come back.
There are posters in the main LJ that argue that have argued that since the user has strong opinions and expresses them forcibly they should be ready for a certain amount of hostility and object to any bannings. Based on the locked stuff, the journal's owner is being pretty damn liberal with what's allowed--I'd have been in a rage by the third day!
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Date: 2006-07-31 07:20 pm (UTC)This is a view of LJ that I find entirely nonsensical. It just doesn't map to the way the environment works, especially once you factor in the rss-like effect of the Friends List. For one thing, your living room isn't open to anyone who wanders by who happens to know someone you know. Other people do not direct dozens of strangers to show up at your door because of something you said. And it certainly isn't the case that your living room appears in my den every time you say something publicly. As I implied in my original post, I think that making public posts to your friended LJ and pretending that you're doing so in your personal private space is just dumb. If you want personal private space, use private posts or pick a blogging service that doesn't automatically push your posts to others. Otherwise you're just swimming upstream against the nature of the technology.